Class 707s updated and future?

Well it appears we are awaiting the last ones to be delivered. Near the bottom is an updated list of the delivery dates

South Western Trains do not look like they are likely to keep the units as they have ordered new stock from Bombardier.

So what next?

To my mind the class 313/2s down on the coastway lines in Sussex, which is currently part of GTR (Southern), have their days numbered. The 707s being rather similar to the class 700 operated by Thameslink could be used on those services or even in the ‘Metro’ area in London replacing the class 455s. The maintenance could be be undertaken at Three Bridges but they have a lot of 700s to maintain. What about Thameslink? Could these be used on say the Blackfriars to Kent services opening up a but more scope or even services like Kent to Hertfordshire via the ‘Core’. Even Blackfriars to place on Southern like Caterham, Tattenham Corner or even West Croydon. The options for Thameslink is a good one for both services and for maintenance with Southern being a good second option.

The class 313s in Great Northern (GN) are the same age and are due to be replaced by the Class 717s, again built by Siemens. The 313s need to go down the ‘hole’ to Moorgate, so they need to be of specific height and width. Looking at the size of the three classes of unit reveals a possible use of the 707s on GN ?

Class Height Width No. Of Cars
313 3.58m 2.82m 3
707 ? 2.80m 5
717 ? 2.80m 6

* If anyone has the vehicle heights can the please contact me.

The GN route is both AC and DC and before anyone mentions that the 707s don’t have pantographs, this is true BUT the initial delivery DID have a Pantograph that was then removed!! So theoretically they could be reinstalled and why not one asks? One of the things the new 717s will have over the 707s that will prevent their use on the GN lines is the provision of cab end doors. These are required for emergency evacuation of passengers while in the Moorgate tunnels

The 707s would be no real use on c2c as that is entirely Overhead line (OHL) as are the new electrification of the lines out of Paddington. Again, yes they could have the pantographs reinstalled for use on these lines but then you have the shoe gear getting in the way. What about London Overground (LO)? No good there as they have ordered the new 710 units also from Bombardier.

All in all the 707s have become a bit of a ‘white elephant‘ in rolling stock terms. Could be these be the first new EMUs to go into store or even scrap? Only time will tell.

Delivery Dates:

707001 arrived Clapham Yd 09.12.16
707002 arrived Clapham Yd 07.02.17
707003 arrived Clapham Yd 23.12.16
707004 arrived Clapham Yd 23.12.16
707005 arrived Clapham Yd 28.01.17
707006 arrived Clapham Yd 07.02.17
707007 arrived Clapham Yd 25.02.17
707008 arrived Clapham Yd 25.02.17
707009 arrived Clapham Yd 08.04.17
707010 arrived Clapham Yd 08.04.17
707011 arrived Clapham Yd 16.09.17
707012 arrived Clapham Yd 16.09.17
707013 arrived Clapham Yd 25.11.17
707014 arrived Clapham Yd 25.11.17
707015 arrived Clapham Yd 16.12.17
707016 arrived Clapham Yd 16.12.17
707017 arrived Clapham Yd 06.01.18
707018 arrived Clapham Yd 06.01.18
707019 arrived Clapham Yd 13.01.18
707020 arrived Clapham Yd 13.01.18
707021 arrived Clapham Yd 09.02.18
707022 arrived Clapham Yd 09.02.18
707023 arrived Clapham Yd 18.11.17
707024 Not Yet Delivered
707025 arrived Clapham Yd 18.11.17
707026 arrived Clapham Yd 10.11.17
707027 arrived Clapham Yd 10.11.17
707028 arrived Clapham Yd 14.10.17
707029 arrived Clapham Yd 14.10.17
707030 Not Yet Delievered
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Wordless Wednesday #3

47401 at Waterloo

47401 at Waterloo having arrived on 1D37 from Salisbury.

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Tuesday Noted

Hi one and all,

Only one from me today:

6Y36 Cliffe Brett Marine to Crawley Foster Yeoman 66084.

Not a lot going apart from that.

I must get stuck into posting a few photos from the old days and recent.

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Swift Swansea Sojourn

So after the shock and lots of things to be done following my Mum’s death and it being half term, we decided to take a trip to Swansea to go to the American Diner DENNY’S … What a feast! Oh and a bit of train spotting too.

Selhurst (06:14)
1A03 Brighton to Victoria (Selhurst to Victoria) 377464, 377140

Victoria (06:47)
Victoria to Paddington 21424

Paddington (07:05 – 07:47)
5A40 0722 London Paddington to Reading Traincare Depot 57602, 57605
Unknown Service 43124
1C04 0730 London Paddington to Penzance 43022
1B10 0745 London Paddington to Swansea 43182, 43171
1W16 0750 London Paddington to Worcester Shrub Hill 165104
1L05 0359 Swansea to London Paddington 43161, 43180
1T35 0755 London Paddington to Heathrow Airport Terminal 5 332010
Unknown Service 43023
1Y31 0727 Heathrow Airport Terminal 5 to London Paddington 332011, 332003

Old Oak Common (07:49)
Stabled 360202

North Pole TMC (07:49)
Stabled 800019

Acton Main Line (07:51)
Stabled 66204

West Ealing (07:52)
2R15 0742 London Paddington to Reading 387157, 387167

Southall (07:53)
2S09 0748 Hayes & Harlington to London Paddington 387162, 387140

Hayes And Harlington (07:54)
2T20 0733 London Paddington to Heathrow Airport Terminal 5 360204

Langley (07:57)
2P16 0712 Reading to London Paddington 387165

Slough (07:59)
2N25 0725 London Paddington to Didcot Parkway 387137

Taplow (08:00)
2P18 0742 Reading to London Paddington 387168, 387152

Maidenhead (08:01)
1P10 0730 Didcot Parkway to London Paddington 387130, 387149

Twyford (08:04)
1P11 0720 Didcot Parkway to London Paddington 387141, 387139

Reading approach (08:06)
2R13 0712 London Paddington to Reading 387143

Reading Station (08:11)
1M26 0630 Bournemouth to Manchester Piccadilly 220023
Unknown Service 43190
2P21 0812 Reading to London Paddington 387163, 387159

Reading TCD (08:14)
Stabled 387167
Stabled 165217
Stabled 57603
Stabled 57306
Stabled 387150

Tilehurst (08:17)
6A03 0514 Severnside Sita to Brentfd Tn W.Waste R.T.S 66040

Cholsey (08:22)
1P17 0810 Didcot Parkway to London Paddington 387153

Didcot Parkway (08:27)
4O44 09:27 DIDCOT DB to SOTNWDKS 66100

Swindon (08:44)
2M05 0849 Swindon to Westbury 150130
1G11 0736 London Paddington to Cheltenham Spa 43005
6M50 0755 Westbury Down T.C. to Bescot Up Engineers Sdgs 70816, 66037

Bristol Parkway (09:10)
2Y10 0912 Bristol Parkway to Weston-super-Mare 166216
1M29 0702 Paignton to Manchester Piccadilly 220011

East Usk Yard (09:29)
6B13 0500 Robeston Sdgs to Westerleigh Murco 66054

Newport (09:32)
1W92 0921 Cardiff Central to Holyhead 158821

Between Newport and Cardiff Central (09:29)
4K95 08:50 Wentloog Freight Terminal Freightliner to Barry Docks Dow Chemicals 66514

Cardiff Central (09:48 – 09:51)
1M60 0945 Cardiff Central to Nottingham 170519
5L48 Stabled 800018, 800020
2C13 0934 Radyr to Coryton 158953, 150261
1W12 0707 Milford Haven to Manchester Piccadilly 175105
5T14 0952 Cardiff Central to Cardiff Central 150281
2J06 0926 Barry Island to Pontypridd 142077
5L46 0926 Cardiff Central to Cardiff Central 43128, 43136
5N11 0940 Cardiff Central to Cardiff Central 150260

Cardiff Canton (09:55)
Stabled 70814, 70801

Bridgend Area (10:11)
6H25 0916 Margam T.C. to Llanwern Exchange Sdgs 66108

Landore Depot (10:46)
Stabled 43094

Swansea (10:50)
1W14 0910 Milford Haven to Manchester Piccadilly 175109
Stabled 800010, 800011
1L52 1029 Swansea to London Paddington 800005, 800009
1B96 1100 Swansea to Fishguard Harbour 150278

Swansea (15:55 – 16:30)
1W70 1503 Carmarthen to Manchester Piccadilly 175112
2E28 1600 Swansea to Pembroke Dock 150213
1L86 1629 Swansea to London Paddington 43160, 43056
1V95 1040 Holyhead to Llanelli 175010

Margam TC (16:51)
Stabled 66108

Pntyclun (17:12)
6H36 EAST USK BRANCH Bridort to Margam 66186, 66023

Cardiff Canton (17:21)
Stabled 08499

Cardiff Central (17:24)
1F29 1730 Cardiff Central to Portsmouth & Southsea 158959
5L88 1724 Cardiff Central to Cardiff Central 43191
5L88 1724 Cardiff Central to Cardiff Central 43070

Didcot Parkway (19:01)
2M60 1820 Reading to Banbury 165129
2P77 1902 Didcot Parkway to London Paddington 387156, 387134

Pangbourne (19:07)
4O17 1548 Lawley Street F.L.T. to Southampton M.C.T. 66543
4M98 1730 Southampton M.C.T. to Garston F.L.T. 66592

Reading (19:21)
1K31 1851 Newbury to London Paddington 165102

Paddington (20:00)
2T70 2003 London Paddington to Heathrow Airport Terminal 5 360205
Paddington to Victoria 21519

Victoria (20:40)
2P39 2045 London Victoria to Tattenham Corner (Victoria to Selhurst) 455813

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